Re: Where does this Subba Rao come from?

Bapa Rao (
Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:47:49 -0700 (PDT)

> More than even mallEsh, yAdagiri is such a proto-typical telangANA name. I
> wonder if the second (or third) reading of RV by PC reinforced the name
> mallEsh in BR!
> >Now that we are on this (literary?) topic, .....
> Bapa Rao need not harbour any doubts as to the literari-ness of this topic.
> We are dealing here with telugu names, etymology, and may even end up in
> finding the meaning of .... ...
> >it is once again time to solicit definitive answers to the etymology of
> >the >name "Bapa Rao"
> I definitely missed the first round(s) of this discussion!

They were inconclusive as this round promises to be. :-(

> Are "bApa" and "pApa" (telugu-pApa instead of the samskrit-pApa) related?
> How about "pApA rAyaDu" then?

I conjecture that they are not related. Though "p" transforms to "b"
following the elided ara-sunna within a word, I suspect that at the 
beginning of the word, the two sounds are not interchangeable. For example,
"baapaDu" and "paapaDu" are two entirely different words, while
"pora-paaTu" and "pora-baaTu" are (what's the word here?) cognates or 

The "paapa" family of names could simply mean "baby". I have also been
told that "paapaa-rayuDu" is another name for Lord Siva. The "baby" 
option is not as absurd as it may seem; if we can have "peddi Reddy"
and "chinnaa Rao" and (in Kerala) Baby John (who is a politician) "paapaa
RayuDu" isn't all that far-fetched, especially given the tradition of
recycling names over the generations. 

> Regional favourites, based on local deities are listed. Is there any other
> regional aspect on which names become popular?

I can't think of any. 

> As to Ramana's comment on "venkaTESwara rAvu" being very common in
> Vijayawada, I wonder if you just consider the prefix "venkaTa" in names, if
> it'll cover 90+% of names, in a couple (or more) of generations. "venkaTa",
> "AnjanEya", "satya", "lakshmee" are such common parts of names. Of late,
> "Sai" seems to be a very common 'part' of names.

These traditional prefixes are on the decline, I suspect. (Does anyone
take surveys of such things?) Also, each community has its own traditions
in this respect. Annavaram Satyanarayana Swamy is the family deity for 
a lot of people in the Godavari districts. In those parts, the name
"prasad" was often shorthand for "vIra venkaTa satyanarayaNa vara prasaad."
I think the prefix "satya" is also a nod towards the Lord of Annavaram. 

Sai Baba (Shirdi as well as a puTTaparthi) nowadays replaced many of the
older deities as the household deity. 

Bapa Rao